Limit on crim RP scenarios (address to staff)

DMaloy

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So let me first start by expaining I do 100% understand limitations on crim participants to crim RP scenarios where profit is made 'from the city' such as store and bank robberies (just to name a few as my knowdlege in the crim activities are so limited). However we need to publically address the limitation of player generated, non-profitable (beside wagers), rp scenarios such as but again not limited to street races.

Now if there was a legal meeting or impromtu event such as a hike (for its simplest example, most fresh to mind thanks to some individuals on in game twitter), staff would not complain at any point about the number of people going for a hike.
On the other hand if we take street races organised by players, outside of an event in illegal means, as an example then suddenly those players are limited by the number of friends they can participate with. Why? The cops only need to catch one or two racers and engage in interigation/negotation rp scenarios for a chance to be provided more information on races (or future races), or come up with more creative means of pursuing such matter rather than just relying on chase and pursue.

This matter needs to be clarified by staff, with a clear stance on it. All RP scenarios limited to 5, just proftiable crim scenarios limited to 5. or is it just any rp scenario limited to crim?

EDIT: For fairness, I must highlight to crims that alot of the time to date, but not all, when police have had to respond it has been to things such as robberies, shoot outs (which weirdly can involve more than 5 people across two sides but thats another matter) and the like. Not so much criminal 'events' if you will.
So While we still do need clarification from staff ASAP, if you have a view on this it be it from cop, crim, both or general civ please do share but most importantly explain why.
 
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Baconlord

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I would assume racing wouldnt fall under that rule. If all the racers started shooting at cops then it would make more sense if it falls under it.
 

DMaloy

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I would assume racing wouldnt fall under that rule. If all the racers started shooting at cops then it would make more sense if it falls under it.
Honeslty I would be 100% on the same wavelength as yourself on this matter, sadly though we are at a point where we have to have this clarification.
Again things like bank and store robberies I do understand being limited, that part make total sense (well at least to me). So thank you for your reply and letting me know I'm not totally unstable for thinking this, but sadly until its in black and white from staff there can be abuse and friction caused by it from all sides so I want to cement this matter if that makes sense.
 

AJgrimE

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I will give my opinion on it, as you understand robberies it would be impossible if its a street race i'm sure we can be more understanding cause this is my POV as someone playing a cop, seeing more than 5 cars fly out all directions or racing down would be a sick sight followed by an immediate okay lets act and figure this out, if im being honest cops cant chase more than 2 cars at once effectively or we would all get lost on what we are doing, ofc this is not my call as all staff would have to agree, but in this SPECIFIC scenario where its not turning into a borderline riot i don't think more than 5 people would upset anyone too much. Let alone that i think this is giving both criminals and cops rp that is different, i'd love to hear from more experienced staff tho, might be major points im missing
 

Baconlord

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I will give my opinion on it, as you understand robberies it would be impossible if its a street race i'm sure we can be more understanding cause this is my POV as someone playing a cop, seeing more than 5 cars fly out all directions or racing down would be a sick sight followed by an immediate okay lets act and figure this out, if im being honest cops cant chase more than 2 cars at once effectively or we would all get lost on what we are doing, ofc this is not my call as all staff would have to agree, but in this SPECIFIC scenario where its not turning into a borderline riot i don't think more than 5 people would upset anyone too much. Let alone that i think this is giving both criminals and cops rp that is different, i'd love to hear from more experienced staff tho, might be major points im missing
U cant win em all. So if u see that many speeding away in a race. U cant catch all maybe u can catch 1 or 2. But u wont ever be able to catch em all no matter what.
 

AJgrimE

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That's exactly my point, that's why i said we wouldn't even try, IRL cops couldn't catch 5 cars at once, its simply impossible, so there's not a massive difference in if there's 5 or 7, it just makes no difference for the police , a bank robbery more people would make a difference, not something like this. Sorry if i wasnt clear on what i meant, i just woke up and took a Rona cocktail of drugs withouth eating first xD
 

Lizzienti

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The basic agenda to this rule across any RP server from previous experience is that it is severely circumstance based.

What I mean by that is a race between 10+ people wouldn’t fall under this rule, just because it is a race and the more the merrier comes into play because it increases the level of fun.

Where it does come into play is when you are intentionally pushing one group against another.

For example, 10 crims vs 5 cops will not work and vice versa, hence why cops are told that there’s only ‘X’ amount to go to any scenario. And if anyone has any report or issue with that, please do not hesitate to show me examples where this has fallen through because we have clear SOPs for those but that is fun for another time.

Another example of the group rule is in gangs, so you might have (using old examples here) Red Devils MC on as a group of 3 and Lost MC could have 8. The rule of 5 would prevent 3 of the Lost MC from involving themselves in that interaction bringing some balance to the overall rule.

The way you need to program your mind into understanding the 5 rule is when you are doing a group of people in a ‘versus’ scenario. 5 v 5 is more efficient and balanced than 5 v 10.

I hope this makes sense and brings more understanding to the table.
 

Lizzienti

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All it is, is to stop a group of 20 people rolling up on a group of 2 and making things needlessly spicy.

Hang out at bars, have group meetings, races etc, just don't interact on gang terms or against another group in more than 5 on each side.
 

DMaloy

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So I do think we are on the same board with this. Scenarios that may result in violence/gunfire such as general fights between people kicking off, robberies etc then those scenarios should be kept to 5 (as rightfully points out to stop not just the cops being put at severe disadvantage but potentially others in that scenario). However Scenarios where violence is not the intention, such as racing, then exceptions will be allowed with the understanding if there are specific scenarios that arise than may prove problematic then they may need to be addressed accordingly?

Just to a part from AJ saying 'if im being honest cops cant chase more than 2 cars at once effectively or we would all get lost on what we are doing' but i do think that such things also has the possibilty to make for amazing RP where the police will have to get creative - whether its how they catch just one car in that immediate situation and hope to maybe find out some helpful information in questioning them and stuff, perhaps offering a deal for a lower fine if they provide anything useful to the case (again I'm not a cop so I dont know if lower fines can be done like that it's just an rp idea off the top of my head) or by other means of trying to investigate if its a reoccuring scenario. And good thing about something like that, if police have to up their game and come up with cool ways to handle it, then those crims have then gotta up their creative game too
 

Lizzienti

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Exactly that!
Anything that may result in a gang war/violence (cops technically are privvy to this rule as they are a 'gang') the group of 5 will kick in to help with even balance.

With AJ's part about not being able to chase more than 2 cars at once - we do have a tac radio channel available so it is possible, you just need to be aware of your radio comms and on the ball at that time.

I think a lot of 'game upping' is needed on both sides, I enjoy times where I can blink and 2 hours have passed by because it's call after call, but they have to be reasonable calls where we don't turn up to see 10+ people in a shootout on one side against another group because then it turns into 'government' issues and is a fun destroyer.

None of the staff wanna be 'that guy' that turns up and has to scold people all the time, staff also wanna enjoy RP like the rest of you.
I think Keiran is doing a re-write of the rules soon anyway but don't ask when that'll come to light - I think they could do with being more comprehensible personally.
 

Lizzienti

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And yes, idk about the others (and it was brought up in a PD meeting) we can lower fines/times providing we have good RP from the criminals.
I have been known as Hannah to drop times and fines and even get rid of jail time altogether based on the quality of RP and how I'm treated.
I know there's people who like to RP as hard-nosed criminals, but you can be hard-nosed and not come off as a salt bath. It's all possible :)
 

DMaloy

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Oh aye, I love the idea of the cops being more able to arrest my crims and that. It adds that sense of tension when trying to elude, a good sense of acomplishment if i get away and potential for interesting rp if i get cuffed. But you are right, we need things upped on all sides, but hopeing by making situations like this more black and white so we're all on the same page then we'll have a solid foundation to work up from.

There are certainly alot of rules that need clarifiction but to due circumstances this was a pressing one, and as long as we understand there may be a bit of give-and-take and compromise then that sounds awesome to me, and hope whoever reads this would agree.

Thank you to all who have so far replied to either clarify or give their thoughts on the matter :D
 

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