A Point about Money Laundering as a Job...

Rek

Community Member
Community Member
Hi,

Not sure why there is a JOB for Money Laundering. It kinda makes very little sense to me.

Naturally, every single business that offers a service or non-tangible (or even overcharged tangible) products has the ability to money launder. Every single business that accepts cash sums or posts a tax return can clean any amount of money, based on legitimate averages of cash flow etc.

Perhaps someone could explain to me why this is a criminal job, when in reality money laundry can be done even without the owners or managers understanding. Just by giving someone change for a $100 dollar bill, you can money launder. As long as the serial numbers on the money don't necessarily match in sequential order or anything along those lines money laundry is pretty much undetectable in most cases, so you'd have to be one really dumb, greedy son of a bitch to get caught.

Just wondering why there is literally a criminal set of jobs for money laundry is all.
 

.Sam.

Support Team
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LEO
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It's a criminal job as it makes you have to interact with people and find out who can clean your money, rather than just doing it yourself and money grinding without any RP at all.

And it also helps balance out the economy as when someone cleans money they will take a percentage than just the person getting the whole cut.
 
1. Because this is an rp server and cleaning your dirty money with no rp interaction at all defeats the point.
2. Because this is a game and we have to draw a line in the sand at some point.

Money Cleaning within the server being owned by and run by players is what increases the illegal rp. we want to encourage rp as much as possible within the server.
 

Rek

Community Member
Community Member
It's a criminal job as it makes you have to interact with people and find out who can clean your money, rather than just doing it yourself and money grinding without any RP at all.

And it also helps balance out the economy as when someone cleans money they will take a percentage than just the person getting the whole cut.
Yes but how does it work in reality? Other than you press E on a circle? That's what I don't get.

There is no roleplay in that context, because the job isn't real. Money laundry is literally a process of sneaking money in through the books, it comes out through certain dividends and a few other things. That's what I'm getting at. Surely money would be easier to track if business posted genuine profit and loss shit?

I guess what I am saying is, why is there only 2 jobs when -anyone- in their right mind could do it, without even realising it. And how does that balance the economy? By taking roleplay from genuine businesses who would genuinely take part in getting some extra cash on the side? I don't understand.

Again, just trying to understand the idea behind why there are only 2 jobs for that one specific thing, which is integral to getting your money out of a criminal enterprise.
1. Because this is an rp server and cleaning your dirty money with no rp interaction at all defeats the point.
2. Because this is a game and we have to draw a line in the sand at some point.

Money Cleaning within the server being owned by and run by players is what increases the illegal rp. we want to encourage rp as much as possible within the server.
Yes, but what I'm saying is open the RP up to -all- business owners. It's up to them if they get caught for putting too much money in at once. I feel as if the point of my post was just ignored?

Anyone can money launder that runs a business is my point. I can talk you through exactly how, there are literal videos on it on YouTube as well surprisingly enough.


Watch the video and you will understand why I find it so baffling that ONLY TWO PEOPLE IN THE GAME can launder money.
 

Rek

Community Member
Community Member
other people can apply for the opportunity to wash money and its not just 2 people in game that can launder money.
I read it on the other post that one of the other staff members made regarding "positions availiable". That might be where the misconception is for me then, regardless to that do you intend to allow business owners to launder money? Or will this still be, what can be considered, unnecessarily restrictive?
 
the ability for business owners to launder money comes down to roleplay and also the agreement between the staff and the owner of that business.
 

.Sam.

Support Team
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LEO
Community Member
Yes but how does it work in reality? Other than you press E on a circle? That's what I don't get.

There is no roleplay in that context, because the job isn't real. Money laundry is literally a process of sneaking money in through the books, it comes out through certain dividends and a few other things. That's what I'm getting at. Surely money would be easier to track if business posted genuine profit and loss shit?

I guess what I am saying is, why is there only 2 jobs when -anyone- in their right mind could do it, without even realising it. And how does that balance the economy? By taking roleplay from genuine businesses who would genuinely take part in getting some extra cash on the side? I don't understand.

Again, just trying to understand the idea behind why there are only 2 jobs for that one specific thing, which is integral to getting your money out of a criminal enterprise.

Yes, but what I'm saying is open the RP up to -all- business owners. It's up to them if they get caught for putting too much money in at once. I feel as if the point of my post was just ignored?

Anyone can money launder that runs a business is my point. I can talk you through exactly how, there are literal videos on it on YouTube as well surprisingly enough.


Watch the video and you will understand why I find it so baffling that ONLY TWO PEOPLE IN THE GAME can launder money.
Just because they push E on a circle does not mean its RP, its the fact you have to find the people in character who can wash your money and make it useable, which then creates interaction with other members and can form crime associates.

Like Keiran said, he wants to encourage RP as much as possible which is what he is doing perfectly by having certain people be able to clean money.
 

Rek

Community Member
Community Member
Just because they push E on a circle does not mean its RP, its the fact you have to find the people in character who can wash your money and make it useable, which then creates interaction with other members and can form crime associates.

Like Keiran said, he wants to encourage RP as much as possible which is what he is doing perfectly by having certain people be able to clean money.
the ability for business owners to launder money comes down to roleplay and also the agreement between the staff and the owner of that business.
Maybe I sounded a bit draconian in the post or something. I am not saying that anyone isn't trying to keep RP in mind or anything like that so forgive me if in some way I sounded hostile or I screamed OBJECTION like a Pheonix Wright game on the Nintendo DS.

I am simply opting for the roleplay to be split between genuine legal businesses that are out in the open. There are massive avenues of roleplay that I would like to get into regarding this exact thing but it simply doesn't work if the system isn't either reasonably realistic in context to the way money actually works, even in a roleplay context, or if there is suddenly a blockage.

I am sure police would love to do investigations into businesses that are somehow making ridiculous sums of money out of nowhere and paying very little tax or something to that effect. It can surely only enhance the systems involved in the framework from a development point of view and the enjoymen from an RP point of view.

I know everybody has great things in mind on the server, I just love the idea of RP and realism together, I saw a job as "money laundering", and it just seemed a bit strange so thank you for clearing that up with me. Truly appreciated.
 

Rek

Community Member
Community Member
On another note, if there is no genuine paper trail for the money laundry you rely LESS on the roleplay of them upholding an appearance of a legitimate business, and more of someone ratting them out because it suits their IC agenda.
 

babs

Senior Staff Team
Admin
The reason right now why we don't have money laundry attached to a business is because of the following reasons

-This is a game nor in real life, we have had this for a long time to create roleplay between criminals.
-We prefer to have legal and illegal sort of seperated
-I do believe if business owners have this they will either all be illegal or they will have too much money compared with others. Economy is still something we are working on and I think with this it would only be one sided.
-The faction owners can have things changed, for example time. So far none of the community members has let us know that this was bad for roleplay or something similar.
-I also want to point out there is another way in the game to clean your money. And not with ‘’pressing e’’. So this is something we for sure took in mind.
-Obviously if there is more interest for those other ways we are able to look into that. But once again so far it has not been mentioned or needed.

To get back to you about the availability. because a business or faction is taken only means it has an owner. This also means people can work for the owner. For example Wheels in motion are taken. But if people want to work for the store they can find ways in character to work there. That also goes for the factions.

Aswell i want to add one last thing. I do get your concerns and we do listen. But you also need to understand we are still a small community doing everything in our spare time besides our in real life work.

What I can recommend is a suggestion for the faction owners to think about how they could possibly improve their part in the rp regarding the money laundry. But do you know what they have as a cover up? Have u met them? Have you asked them? If not , maybe it's good to find out first about their part within roleplay regarding the money laundry! :D Because believe me, the police ask questions too ;)
 

Rek

Community Member
Community Member
The reason right now why we don't have money laundry attached to a business is because of the following reasons

-This is a game nor in real life, we have had this for a long time to create roleplay between criminals.
-We prefer to have legal and illegal sort of seperated
-I do believe if business owners have this they will either all be illegal or they will have too much money compared with others. Economy is still something we are working on and I think with this it would only be one sided.
-The faction owners can have things changed, for example time. So far none of the community members has let us know that this was bad for roleplay or something similar.
-I also want to point out there is another way in the game to clean your money. And not with ‘’pressing e’’. So this is something we for sure took in mind.
-Obviously if there is more interest for those other ways we are able to look into that. But once again so far it has not been mentioned or needed.

To get back to you about the availability. because a business or faction is taken only means it has an owner. This also means people can work for the owner. For example Wheels in motion are taken. But if people want to work for the store they can find ways in character to work there. That also goes for the factions.

Aswell i want to add one last thing. I do get your concerns and we do listen. But you also need to understand we are still a small community doing everything in our spare time besides our in real life work.

What I can recommend is a suggestion for the faction owners to think about how they could possibly improve their part in the rp regarding the money laundry. But do you know what they have as a cover up? Have u met them? Have you asked them? If not , maybe it's good to find out first about their part within roleplay regarding the money laundry! :D Because believe me, the police ask questions too ;)
Then this shuts down a lot of white collar criminals, but I appreciate the fact that the server is still growing. I just know this is the next step in making court cases more of a consistent thing, investigations more of a consistent thing, and overall encourages criminals to have a public appearance of some kind, rather than never having to genuinely do anything legitimate to get clean money.

If you think about it, surely what you've said is MORE one sided to JUST criminals than legitimate business owners? If a business owner commits a crime and his business is used as a result of that crime, the business is lost. I don't see how that isn't already a thing? So if they're ever going to money launder their entire reputation is on the line. Businesses open and close all the time. It is what it is.

Appreciate your reply though.
 

babs

Senior Staff Team
Admin
I do get your point but i just wanna repeat what i have said the criminals do have there story's!
And lets be honest, there is nothing more fun that finding out ic ;) Obviously if you feel like in character things aint right you can create your roleplay around it aswell :D !
 
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